It is the belief of "Pater Sine Nomine"[38] that, due to an inherent characteristic of female human nature, girls are seriously handicapped in their attempts to distinguish between the modest and the immodest in feminine fashions. The handicap referred to is the commonly recognized fact that women as a rule are relatively immune (some even to the point of frigidity) to the sexual stimuli which ordinarily evoke immediate and highly pronounced physical and emotional response in men. Lacking in themselves this sensitivity to sexual stimulation, which the author identifies with "a warning to cover up," women are chronically unable to appreciate the sexual responsiveness of men and therefore cannot determine what is modest or immodest in the matter of their own dress. The result, our nameless Father maintains, is that many actually make erroneous judgments and in all innocence wear clothing which is immodest. On this premise, and on the precedent of a 1928 letter from the Congregation of Religious to teaching sisters in Rome, the author concludes that only by providing a set of measured norms can we supply for a common inability among girls to judge modesty in concrete styles of feminine attire. The article more than implies that the failure of some priests to agree on this last point is obstructing the cause of modesty and is therefore a dereliction of their pastoral duty.
It simply cannot be that the author means to infer that a natural sense of modesty depends essentially on the actual experiencing within oneself of physical sex reaction. The exquisite instinct to modesty exhibited by so many entirely inexperienced in this regard is too obvious to need proof. It is true that girls may be for a long time unaware of male sensitivity to sexual stimulation and be unable to fathom it, once it is realized, in the light of what they know about themselves. But does this deprive them of the basic ability to sense which a considerable degree of accuracy what is modest and immodest in fashions? My own experience tells me no. The average American Catholic girl, at an age level to which this problem pertains, is surely capable of recognizing as modest or immodest those fashions which would be unhesitatingly and with virtual unanimity so designated by a representative group of decent adults. At the point where style begins to verge towards the risqué [sic], she may become uncertain or even in her innocence fail to sense the incipient trend. In this area, all would agree, guidance of some sort is needed—not in order to designate a line where virtue ends [185] and sin begins, but in order to educate and win her to an ideal of modesty which will be conspicuous.
It would be universally conceded that any rational program of education and inspiration to modesty must be basically designed to communicate correct notions of the virtue itself, an appreciation of the principles and facts pertaining to occasions of sin, and effective motivation along positive lines. The only legitimate point of debate is whether mathematical standards of dress are a necessary or useful adjunct to this indispensable phase of the project. If some theologians have reacted with less enthusiasm to particular programs already inaugurated and widely publicized, it is only because they perceive certain risks inherent in some of the tactics employed.
There is, first of all, the proven danger of presenting ideals in a doctrinally false context. The following preamble to the specific directives proposed by organization simply would not sustain theological scrutiny:
At Fatima, Portugal in 1917, the Blessed Virgin Mary condemned in advance the pagan fashions of our day, warning us: "Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much." [italics original] At a later date, Our Blessed Mother made known what standards of modesty in dress she requires, through the Holy Father, Pope Pius XI, her Divine Son's Vicar, who set this guide:
"A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers' breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper..." By Donato, Cardinal Sbaretti, Pref. of Congregation of the Council; Feast of the Holy Family, Jan. 12, 1930.
Until this mandate of the Holy See, as to what constitutes modesty in dress, is revised, modified or rescinded by the Holy See itself, these minimum standards are binding on everyone, regardless of any opinions to the contrary held by so many people these days—even within the Church.
To further confirm this Pope Pius XII stated very recently: "Our Divine Saviour [sic] entrusted the deposit of faith not to theologians, but to the magisterium of the Church for its authentic interpretation. Hence, the 'sensus ecclesiae' (the mind of the Church) is decisive for the knowledge of truth; not the 'opinio theologorum' (the personal views of individual theologians). Otherwise, theologians would be the magisterii [sic], which is evidently erroneous." (Sept., 1956).[39]Even if the statement attributed to the Congregation of the Council were authentic, the theology of this preamble would still be open to serious criticism. But the truth of the matter is that those words are not to be found [186] in the Instruction cited.[40] According to S. Woywod, O.F.M.,[41] whose acknowledged source was a leaflet published by the Central Bureau of the Catholic Central Verein, they are contained in an earlier document to which the Instruction makes passing reference, viz., a letter from the Congregation of Religious (Aug. 23, 1928) to teaching sisters in Rome. A careful reading of that letter reveals nothing of the kind[42]—literally not a word which could possibly be construed as an attempt to define in concrete terms what is modest or immodest in feminine dress. What the origin of the interpolation may have been, one can only conjecture. But until more reliable evidence to the contrary is adduced, the passage in question would appear to qualify as a theological facsimile of Topsy.
The example serves at very least to illustrate one reason why many priests are reluctant to subscribe unreservedly to these crusades in their every detail. It is far from unreasonable to fear that false consciences could result from such misrepresentations of theological fact, unwitting though they may be. And it is no lack of zeal which prompts a demurrer against that danger.
Furthermore, as Pater Sine Nomine concedes, "we [sic] could not set up a plaster statue, draw two sets of lines on it, and say: 'At this line begins venial sin; at that line begins mortal sin.'" Presumably this is not what is intended when specific measurements are proposed as practical norms of an ideal in modesty. But some of the formulae in which these criteria have been expressed are objectively open to that interpretation, as is certainly true of the preamble quoted above. And such are the psychological quirks of human nature—or perhaps such is the nature of the matter itself—that this is the impression too often taken, especially from the printed word, despite all precautions against it. The proponent of the mathematical standard can easily find himself in the awkward position of appearing to measure modesty in absurd mathematical absolutes, and of being forced to explain the why of a thesis he actually does not defend, namely, that precisely so many inches from a given point lies the last frontier of virtue.
There are those who deny that mathematical criteria actually do result in misunderstandings, ridicule, confused consciences, and the like, on the part of girls to whom they are proposed. But there are also others, no less zealous and experienced in the same apostolate, who in total sincerity testify to the contrary. Granted this difference of opinion on the point, the following questions [187] would make for most interesting discussion, at the dispassionate level, at an imaginary meeting of all priests truly experienced in this phase of the ministry: (1) Of those girls committed to a policy of modesty in dress, how many perhaps have been won to the cause precisely through the effectiveness of mathematical criteria? (2) Of those who disregard or are indifferent to modesty in dress, how many perhaps have been alienated because of misunderstandings occasioned by mathematical criteria? (3) All things considered, are mathematical criteria a necessary or beneficial adjunct to an effective crusade for modest fashions?
The preceding comments do not imply that we should content ourselves as counselors with vague and platitudinous exhortations to modest fashions. Besides inculcating the genuine meaning and beauties of the virtue, we should give a reasoned explanation of the scandal involved not only in immodest dress but, even more important, in immodest behavior. (It would be a mistake to give the impression that modesty consists exclusively or even primarily in what one wears, since a girls' posture, gestures, and general comportment are far more indicative of modesty, or the lack of it, than is the total yardage of her costume.) Finally, we should specify to some degree what can constitute suggestive or provocative attire in girls and women: form-fitting slacks and jeans, skimpy shorts, plunging necklines, snug sweaters, and the like. Any attempt to define with further exactitude the criteria of modest dress is, in the considered opinion of many, unnecessary and perhaps inimical to the effectiveness of such a crusade. And when we shall have devised the perfect syllabus for decency in feminine apparel, it would still be colossal conceit on our part to forget the multitudes of the impeccably modest who are what they are due to the grace of God, their own wholesomeness, and the example and training of conscientious parents no less wise than ourselves in the ways of modesty.
Footnotes:
38. "Measures and Modesty," Homiletic and Pastoral Review 58 (Nov., 1957) 164–72. An editorial note prefixed to this article apologizes for the anonymity but explains that the priest-author advanced very good reasons for not identifying himself.
39. "The Marylike Standards for Modesty in Dress" as reproduced in Divine Love 1 (July-Sept., 1957) 17.
40. "Instructio ad ordinarios diocesanos: De inhonesto feminarum vestiendi more," AAS 22 (1930) 26–28; cf. also T. L. Bouscaren, Canon Law Digest 1, 212–14.
41. Homiletic and Pastoral Review 30 (Sept., 1930) 1328.
42. The complete Italian text of the letter may be found in Commentarium pro religiosis 9 (1928) 414–15. An editorial note cites Monitore ecclesiastico, 1928, pp. 289–99, as CPR's source.
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Source: John J. Lynch, SJ, "Notes on Moral Theology: Modesty in Dress," Theological Studies 19, no. 2 (June 1958): 183–187.
"Of those girls committed to a policy of modesty in dress, how many perhaps have been won to the cause precisely through the effectiveness of mathematical criteria?"
ReplyDelete> Precisely this "mathematical criteria" won me to the cause of dressing with modesty (which is a necessary help to promote that other aspect of modesty, modesty in behavior).
Without specific standards (or mathematical criteria per say), nothing can be followed or enforced. Parish priests in attempting to address immodesty have no way of showing a woman the error of her mode of dress. Parents experience the same issue when they try to teach their children to dress modestly. For example, how can the letter you referenced from the, “Congregation of Religious (Aug. 23, 1928) to teaching sisters in Rome," be enforced without any guideline to define "immodest dress"?
This 1928 letter is referenced in a second letter on the same topic titled: Letter of the Congregation of the Council, Vigilance: To Treat of Modesty in Women's Dress. This 1930 letter can be found in Acta Apostolicae Sedis in 1930, Vol. 22, pp. 26-28 (see links below). (1)
Next I would like to clarify a misunderstanding regarding this statement:
"A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers' breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper..."
You are correct; this was not issued by Donato, Cardinal Sbaretti, Pref. of the Congregation of the Council. (The document Cardinal Sbaretti issued was the 1930 letter.) This does not mean though, that the statement is fabricated. It is, in fact, an authentic statement issued by the Cardinal-Vicar of Pope Pius XI, Cardinal Pompilj, on 24 September 1928. I have provided links below to support its authenticity. (2)
Two of these links also mention that the authenticity of the statement is further supported by Rufino J. Cardinal Santos, Archbishop of Manila (a),(c). Cardinal Santos quoted these standards as, “‘The Church’s stand concerning modesty in dress’ in his Pastoral of December 6, 1959. He attributes them to Pope Pius XI Himself, and gives the exact date of issuance, September 24, 1928.” (c)
(1) Find the Letter of the Congregation of the Council, Vigilance: To Treat of Modesty in Women's Dress in Acta Apostolicae Sedis in 1930, Vol. 22, pp. 26-28 at:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-22-1930-ocr.pdf
Translation: https://saintsworks.net/Modesty%20and%20Purity%20-%20Letter%20of%20the%20Congregation%20of%20the%20Council.html
(2) Links supporting the authenticity of statement issued by the Cardinal-Vicar of Pope Pius XI, Cardinal Pompilj, on 24 September 1928:
(a)https://catholic-modesty.com/the-modesty-guidelines-of-the-catholic-church/
(b)http://cora.dashjr.org/trad/modesty.html
(c)https://www.national-coalition.org/modesty/moddecre.html
(d)http://sicutincaelo.org/downloads/TWSG_Read.pdf (pp. 13)
Part 1
Delete1. God bless you for dressing modestly and with dignity in this darkening age!
2. The article you were responding to were not my own words but a reprint of an article (see the citation at the bottom of the original post).
3. There are a number of unresolved problems with the August 23, 1928 letter.
a) The only English translation available online is attributed to the late Fr. John Rubba, OP, and seems to trace back to a certain issue of the Marylike Crusader publication, which does not seem to be available online.
b) Fr. Rubba claimed that his translation came from the Commentarium pro Religiosis (vol. 9, 1928, pp. 414-415). This volume has not been scanned online, and I don't currently have access to it, and hence no one actually knows what the original Latin says.
c) Assuming that the reporting and translation of the Aug. 23 letter is accurate, this letter mentions nothing of the Vatican Standards that Pius XI supposedly issued on Sept. 24, 1928, because the letter obviously predates September. There is nothing in this August 23 letter of what later theologians would call "mathematical standards of modesty" but simply general directives.
d) The reference to the August 23 letter in the January 1930 directive simply indicates the existence of such a letter but does not reveal its contents. Hence referring to the Jan. 1930 letter is no help for finding the August 23 letter.
4. The other links you provided supporting the authenticity of the September 24, 1928 statement do no such thing unfortunately.
All references to Cdl. Santos of Manila claim he cites the Vatican Standard in his pastoral letter of December 6, 1959, yet the original text of this letter is nowhere to be found, and even if we could find it, we don't know what source document Cdl. Santos was quoting from, if any. It would be worth pursuing the original document, but currently I don't have the time to.
Other references to the bishops of Quebec, specifically Cardinal Raymond-Marie Rouleau, are likewise problematic. For example, this website (https://pour-reflechir.blogspot.com/2017/03/limmodestie-des-toilettes-feminines-mgr.html) seems to have Cdl. Rouleau quoting the Vatican Standard, yet the citation given by the blog owner is an Italian quotation from a self-published text from 2016! So we have no idea 1) whether Cdl. Rouleau actually quoted the standard, and 2) what his source was.
A similar reference to the bishops of Quebec issuing a pastoral letter entitled "Purity Crusade" ("Croisade de Purete" in the original French) claims that this letter includes the Vatican Standard. One of your own sources claims this (https://catholic-modesty.com/the-modesty-guidelines-of-the-catholic-church/). Yet when one looks at the original French document (pp. 239-240, https://ia800308.us.archive.org/19/items/mandementslettre17glis/mandementslettre17glis.pdf), these standards are nowhere to be found. Further, a so-called "Decree 102" of the Synod of Bishops from 1940 is also not in this letter, nor does this letter quote Cdl. Rouleau's pastoral of December 8, 1930.
In fact, this website you linked to (https://catholic-modesty.com/the-modesty-guidelines-of-the-catholic-church/) does not make any sense in its references to the Quebec bishops. It seems to say the joint pastoral letter "Purity Crusade" (1946) quotes the decree of 1940, which the website gives as its source Cdl. Rouleau's 1930 pastoral letter! Is it possible that everyone has missed the time travel necessary for this to work?
Part 2
Delete5. Your second source (http://cora.dashjr.org/trad/modesty.html) is likewise unhelpful because it is a reprinting of the Marylike Modesty Handbook. Fr. Kunkel claims there that his source was the October 1928 issue of Osservatore Romano, sent to him by a Father Jesus M. Cavanna, CM. This October issue cannot be found online; hence we don't have the original citation. It would validate Fr. Kunkel's source however!
This second source of yours also repeats the copy-and-pasted claims about Cdl. Santos, but again, if the original pastoral of Cdl. Santos is not available, we have no means of actually seeing the original contents. And as we have seen numerous times, these various pastoral letters have been very inaccurately reported by well-intended traditional Catholics.
6. The third source you give (https://www.national-coalition.org/modesty/moddecre.html) is further unhelpful. It simply copies what is found elsewhere about Fr. Rubba, Cdl. Santos, etc. These are all dead ends without the original letters and original sources.
7. Your last source (http://sicutincaelo.org/downloads/TWSG_Read.pdf) quotes a book "Immodest Dress: The Mind of the Church," by Louise Martin (found here http://www.catholictradition.org/Children/immodest-dress.htm). Once again, this book simply repeats all the same claims about Cdl. Santos, the bishops of Quebec (Martin's book adds a further claim that Bishop Douville of Quebec quotes the standards in his pastoral letter of July 22, 1944, yet gives no source citation for this claim).
Martin's book simply quotes from Fr. Kunkel's Marylike Handbook.
8. Hence we get to the crux of the problem: all of these websites and books are quoting from each other the same so-called proof of the authenticity of this elusive September 24 statement. They all exist in a giant echo chamber, and none provide the original source documents to back their claims.
As far as I can tell, there are basically two ways to prove absolutely the existence and content of this letter:
1. Its Latin or Italian original has to be found.
2. The October 1928 issue of Osservatore Romano must be found where the statement is quoted in Italian.
All of these other claims of authenticity referring to bishops living back in the 1930s and '40s are dead ends because none of their pastoral letters are available to us, and those that are available say nothing close to what the promoters of the Vatican Standard say they do, which only further harms their credibility.
9. To close, however, I have found another source, not mentioned by any of these other websites and booklets, that I believe gives us a reasonable certitude of the authenticity of the September 24, 1928 statement. It is found in an article in the Homiletic and Pastoral Review, vol. 30, no. 1-6, November 1930, pp. 171-173, in which a question is submitted quoting the exact Vatican Standards and attributing them to the statement of Sept. 24. The responder in the HPR journal in no way disputes the authenticity of the quotation and even affirms its existence, writing, "The words of the Sacred Congregation of Religious quoted by our correspondent are very helpful to the priests and Catholic educators inasmuch as they express the mind of the Holy See on the subject of immodesty in women's dress." (source: https://rugwig.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-immodest-womens-dress.html)
I believe, aside from direct proof of the Sept. 24 statement itself, this is the best evidence we have of the existence and authenticity of the Vatican Standards. Since all the other references to Cdl. Santos, Fr. Rubba, the Canadian bishops, Cdl. Mundelein, are so far removed from our access and all seem to simply copy and paste each other, I do not refer to them at all as reliable. However, an article posted in a reputable theological journal only two years after the original statement was issued is very good for establishing its credibility!
I hope this helps. God bless you.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteIn case you are still interested in establishing the authenticity of the Vatican Standards, here is some new information.
These standards were issued by Cardinal-Vicar Basilio Pompili [2]. They were then translated into French [3], and this translation was successively quoted by Bishop Rouleau [6 p. 20], Bishop Decelles [7 p. 538] and Bishop Douville [8 p. 359].
Unfortunately, the translation [3] has a number of flaws:
(1) "che non scenda un poco più giù del ginocchio" (which does not fall a bit below the knee) has been translated into "qui descend à peine au-dessous des genoux". This sounds to me like the knees have to be covered by a large margin, which is an overstatement of what the original standard asks for. Note that this problem is also present in the English translation.
(2) "quante frequentano l'Istituto da Lei diretto" (all those who attend the institution over which you preside) has been translated into "toutes les personnes qui dirigent votre institution" (all those who preside over your institution).
(3) The words "che pur professano di appartenere al gregge di Gesù Cristo e alla sua Chiesa", the whole paragraph "Sarà Nostra cura [...] i deplorati abusi" and the words "della S. C. dei Religiosi" have been omitted without notice.
(4) The words "auxquelles nous vous prions de vous conformer dans la direction de votre établissement" are not present in the original text.
The two last omissions are particularly unfortunate, because they can mislead one into thinking that the guidelines were included in the directions issued by the Congregation of Religious [1] and later referred to by the Congregation of the Council [5], which are quoted just before. This kind of confusion has indeed been observed repeatedly; for an extreme instance, see [11-12], whose account is completely at variance with the historical facts.
I have no similar explanation, however, as to why such confusion is widespread in the English speaking world as well (and it has been since an early date, as your post [4] shows).
By the way, I have no evidence right now that Pope Pius XI ever read these guidelines. Therefore, it is probably best to refrain from claiming that they were written by order of the Pope, as some people do [10 p. 13].
References:
ReplyDelete[1] Commentarium pro Religiosis 9 (1928), 414-415. Quoted in [2]. An English translation is given in [9].
[2] Cardinal B. Pompili, "Circolare alle Superiore degli Istituti religiosi femminili", Bollettino del Clero Romano 8 no. 10 (Oct. 1928), 134.
https://archive.org/details/circolare-alle-superiore-degli-istituti-religiosi-femminili
[3] "Les modes inconvenantes", La Documentation Catholique no. 491 (Oct. 1929), 655-656.
https://archive.org/details/les-modes-inconvenantes
[4] Immodest Women's Dress, The Homiletic and Pastoral Review 30 no. 1-6 (Oct. 1929 to March 1930), 171-173.
https://rugwig.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-immodest-womens-dress.html
[5] Sacra Congregatio Concilii, "Instructio ad ordinarios diœcesanos: De inhonesto feminarum vestiendi more", Acta Apostolicæ Sedis 22 (1930), 26-28.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-22-1930-ocr.pdf
[6] Bishop R.-M. Rouleau, "Circulaire au clergé", 6 April 1930, part I, in Mandements, lettres pastorales et circulaires des Évêques de Québec 13, suppl. 33, 15-20.
https://archive.org/details/mandementslettre13glis/page/n638
[7] Bishop F.-Z. Decelles, "Circulaire au clergé", 15 Sept. 1933, part III, in Mandements des Évêques de Saint-Hyacinthe 18, 537-540.
https://archive.org/details/circulaire-au-clerge/page/n5
[8] Bishop A. Douville, "Lettre pastorale et mandement", 22 July 1944, in Mandements des Évêques de Saint-Hyacinthe 21, 353-361.
https://archive.org/details/lettre-pastorale-et-mandement
[9] "Rome’s Decrees on Modesty in Dress", Marylike Crusader, Nov.-Dec. 1963.
https://ladyofperpetualhelp.weebly.com/
https://www.national-coalition.org/modesty/moddecre.html
[10] R. T. Hart, Those Who Serve God Should Not Follow the Fashions, 6th edition, 2017 (1st edition 2003).
http://sicutincaelo.org/downloads/TWSG_Read.pdf
[11] "Règles de l'Église sur la modestie", Vers Demain, Aug.-Sept. 2007, 15.
https://docplayer.fr/85502325-En-preparation-du-congres-eucharistique-2008-a-quebec-ravivons-notre-devotion-a-la-messe-du-dimanche-et-a-la-sainte-eucharistie.html
[12] "Règles de l'Église sur la modestie", Vers Demain, March-April 2009, 7.
https://docplayer.fr/79586446-L-eglise-reaffirme-les-valeurs-du-mariage-et-de-la-famille.html
Thank you so much for your excellent work. I have been much too busy to continue looking into this matter, but in my mind, with you having found and (presumably) published the original Italian in the Bollettino del Clero Romano (it seems this is a different publication than L'Osservatore Romano, hence the confusion of tracking the source according to Fr. Kunkel), the matter is pretty much 100% settled.
DeleteEven if Pius XI may not have seen and/or explicitly promoted these particular directives, nevertheless clearly bishops and theologians took the directives as expressing the authentic mind of the Holy See, despite all the subsequent and inexplicable confusions surrounding its origins and related documentation from the various Curial offices.
While it would be good to get to the absolute bottom of the matter, and especially if there is any historical record that Pius XI knew and approved of these directives, for me as a simple layman, this is about as good as it gets and is more than sufficient to inform my conscience. Thank you again!
With your permission, may I repost your comment and footnotes as a blogpost here?
You can repost my comment and references, but maybe you could reformulate my last paragraph to make my intent clearer:
DeleteBy the way, while it seems plausible that Pope Pius XI at least read and approved Cardinal Pompili's standards, as far as I know even that is not yet conclusively established. Therefore, it is probably best to refrain from claiming that these standards were written by order of the Pope, as some people do [10 p. 13].
In my opinion the best article on the subject is by FatherJohn Thomas from 1955. Post this article on your blog:
ReplyDeletehttps://archive.org/details/sim_marriage-family_1955-09_37_9/page/11/mode/1up?view=theater
These are also interesting:
https://archive.org/details/sim_marriage-family_1955-11_37_11/page/30/mode/1up?view=theater
https://archive.org/details/sim_american-ecclesiastical-review_1956-02_134_2/page/118/mode/1up?view=theater
https://archive.org/details/sim_american-ecclesiastical-review_1962-01_146_1/page/58/mode/1up?view=theater
https://archive.org/details/sim_homiletic-pastoral-review_1957-11_58_2/page/171/mode/1up?view=theater
https://archive.org/details/sim_liguorian_1959-11_47_11/page/34/mode/2up?q=dress
https://archive.org/details/sim_liguorian_1958-04_46_4/page/34/mode/2up?q=shorts+and+halters
https://archive.org/details/sim_liguorian_1952-09_40_9/page/564/mode/2up?q=dress&view=theater